Welcome to the Contrafabulists podcast, Kin Lane and Audrey Watters' weekly discussion of the latest technology (and politics of technology) news.

In this episode, we discuss Kin's trip to DC and the state of IT (and, more generally, expertise) in the federal government.

Here are the stories we referenced:

• State of APIs In The Federal Government by Kin
• Why the Scariest Nuclear Threat May Be Coming from Inside the White House via Vanity Fair

Feedback is welcome. (You should email Kin with it though, not Audrey.)